Discussing 'Islamophobia' on CNN

truestefq Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - If you are against Nazis are you Germanophobic?

LogicSpeaks Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - If black people "as a group" were killing infidels and suicide bombing in markets/subways/public locations then I would be afraid of black people. Would it be because of the color? No, it would be because a group of people are categorised with the violence it seems to come with. That wouldnt make you a racist. If you feel more comfortable replace black with white/caucasion. It'll be the same thing. Plus everyone has a very good reason for "fearing" islam - they promote violence.

akindofblue Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - Did you mean this as a reply to my comment or to truestefq's? This seems unrelated to the point I was making. I agree with the point you're making though. I get pretty angry when my government tries to legislate against 'religious hatred', treating it much like race.

IbnoRushd Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - Feel free to criticize islam but we don't like hear abusing islam!

truestefq Says:

Apr 15, 2008 - I make more clear what I meant: What the islamists call "islam" is a totalitarian political ideology based on ancient cult. "Islamophobia" is their bugaboo - nobody (apart a few fascist nutjobs) wants to discriminate against Muslims, who believe or doubt or don't believe all kinds of stuff - look up "Petersburg Declaration" of ISIS on the centerforinquiry page. Anti-blasphemy laws are unconstitutional in the US and are against the word and spirit of the Declaration on Human Rights.

truestefq Says:

Apr 15, 2008 - Where is the line?

akindofblue Says:

Apr 15, 2008 - I know all that, what of my points are you trying to argue against?

truestefq Says:

Apr 15, 2008 - None, I agree with you, just needed to say it in light of logicspeaks remark, I think he was muddling a bit. I'm now interested in ibnorushd answer on my question where a line could or should be drawn between "islamocritique" and "islamophobia".

murfy22 Says:

Apr 19, 2008 - religion, the biggest joke on the planet...

IbnoRushd Says:

Apr 20, 2008 - Do you mean you that we, the muslims, should be afraid of americans and europeans because they are killing muslim in different countries like Iraq, Afghanistan.. and because they ocuppied and killed many people the imperialized world ?

LogicSpeaks Says:

Apr 20, 2008 - You may fear them if you'd like, but youd be fearing them for different reasons, nothing with the topic at hand. Both of those countries were attacked for good reason, whether some agree there were weapons or not. The europeans/americans did not invade to "kill" muslims. Sadam himself gassed and killed many of his own people and kurds as well. How about your taliban who are muslim are killing your own people every day, subjecting women with unfair punishment, and so on.

LogicSpeaks Says:

Apr 20, 2008 - Blasphemy! FIGHT THEM: ALLAH WILL PUNISH THEM BY YOUR HANDS AND BRING THEM TO DISGRACE, AND ASSIST YOU AGAINST THEM. (9:14)

LogicSpeaks Says:

Apr 20, 2008 - Its been a while since I posted that and I cant remember really exactly what prompted me to write that but all I really wanted to point out that islamophobia is a pointless word as you could do that to any group/thing/item and it would "work." Its a pointless word like "atheist" which is a word without content of whatsoever. Unfortunately though this word needs existence as we need to separate ourselves from the religious. But hopefully you see my point.

LogicSpeaks Says:

Apr 20, 2008 - I dont understand what that statement even means. Youre telling us that we CAN criticize islam BUT abusing it is wrong? Isnt criticizing it pretty much abusing it in a sense? Also, anything thats often offered with the backing of facts which counters your point of view on islam is apparently offensive. Of course, thats how it is with any religious nutjob. Thats also a good point, once youre offended (such as the danish cartoons) you want someone to pay for their stance against your position.

truestefq Says:

Apr 21, 2008 - Wow, you seem irrationally infidelophobic & anti-west. The European Union is the biggest supporter and contributor to the Palestinian Authority. The Bosniaks and Kosovo Albanians, both pred. muslim were saved from Serb christian fascists by NATO. In Afghanistan finally some normal life is possible for Muslims, after Taliban and criminals like Hekmatyar are fought against. Most people in Iraq since 2003 are killed by Djihadists, by other (Sunni, Shia) Muslims, not by "Americans & Europeans".

truestefq Says:

Apr 21, 2008 - Well, IbnoRushd you obviously don't care about the difference between critique and abuse, otherwise you would have answered to my question about where to draw the line. I think this fuss about "islamophobia" is about silencing critics, punishing "blasphemy" and spreading fear among Muslims and Non-muslims that want to have their own, individual opinion about this religion and might disagree with your clerics view.

IbnoRushd Says:

Apr 21, 2008 - So you need to learn and study the historical context and cause of revelations of these verse. In the same chapter nr. 9 verse 8 we read:

IbnoRushd Says:

Apr 21, 2008 - How (can there be such a league), seeing that if they get an advantage over you, they respect not in you the ties either of kinship or of covenant? With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked.

IbnoRushd Says:

Apr 22, 2008 - I am soo sorry, I really didn't get your question.! Can you pleas ask u Q more clearly? thanks.

truestefq Says:

Apr 23, 2008 - You said: "Feel free to criticize islam but we don't like hear abusing islam!" I ask: where or what is the difference between "criticize" and "abusing" islam? And how (and why) should I as an infidel know?

FaithIsImaginary Says:

May 28, 2008 - Yes, according to Mohammed all of the Islamic imperialism in the middle east was "defensive" and "righteous". However, it is clear to anyone who actually reads the Qur'an that "defense" includes such things as threatening the Jews of arabia to leave with deadly force, when they said "No, this is our land" this was a "declaration of war against the muslims". Similarly, the 2 years if raids against Mekkan caravans were clearly highway robbery. As for your quote, it is a generic call to war.

AIDINSWE Says:

Jun 28, 2008 - christopher just smashed down ibrahim hooper down to the dirt where animals like him belongs

Oceanica22 Says:

Jul 20, 2008 - islamophobia is an incorrect word made up to silence legitimate criticism on islam. "phobia" is an "irrational fear". So, "islamophobia" doesn't define very well the situation,beacuse the "fear" here is very rational and motivated by facts.

truestefq Says:

Sep 6, 2008 - Four months and you still didn't answer my very easy question, that I even reformulated for you. I take this as the answer I expected: all your whining about "Islamophobia" is an attempt to censor critical opinions.

DEATH2JIHADISTS Says:

Sep 7, 2008 - Phobia imples an "irrational fear" of something. I have no irrational fear of Isalm...just a healthy disdain for a repugnant religion. Islam needs to clean up its act and speak out against radical Isalam. If not, they will perpetuate a disdain or hatred for their religion. We have the right to criticize what is twisted.